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Jeff Rees (Jr92811)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Jr92811
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 3:56 am: | |
I've been stuck on Freecell #1301082112 for almost 2 months. Is it winable?
As an aside how do the game numbers relate to the MS FC numbers shown in the list of hard deals? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1929
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 4:16 am: | |
No, in my opinion it is not winnable. I can score maximum 5 points so far. Will try again later. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6313
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 4:30 am: | |
I've just won it Jeff. It's not as hard as I thought. I will probably not be able to write out a solution until this evening. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1931
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 4:51 am: | |
Yes, Richard is right, i just won it also. Here are 4 screenshots after 10, 20, 30 and 40 moves.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6314
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 4:59 am: | |
KC up,AH out. 3D up, 2D over,KD up, 6H over, 5S+4H over, 6S over, 5H onto 6C. 2H out. 4D up, KD down. 3C+2D over. QS onto KD, 3H up, JD onto QS, 3D down, 2D + 3C up, 4H + 5H out, 4D+3C+2D down, 8C up, AS out, QH up, QC over, 8D up, 2C over. KC+QH down, 10S over, 3S up. 9S up. 5D over, 2S+3S out. 10C over, 9S+8D down. 2C+3D up,4S out. 2C+3D back down. 4C+3D+2C over. 5S etc over, 6H out. Rest should be simple enough. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1932
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 5:23 am: | |
Richard, we used two totally different ways, with similar moves betweeen. |
Jeff Rees (Jr92811)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Jr92811
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 6:02 am: | |
I use 'Kings Only'. Does this make it unwinable? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1933
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 8:09 am: | |
I think, YES. Then it is really unwinnable but let's see what Richard is saying. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6317
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 9:36 am: | |
All you had to do to find out the answer was to follow my instructions. It IS winnable with Kings Only. |
Jeff Rees (Jr92811)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Jr92811
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 9:47 am: | |
Thanks for your patience Richard. This is the 1st time that I have followed instructions so I may have read wrongly. I followed the list until '9S+8D down'. I thought that under 'King Only' I could only bring a King back down and no other cards. Am I being thick?
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 10:00 am: | |
Jeff, you are right. I came with Richard's instructions to following position:
Richard, back to the drawing board or did we both something wrong while following your instruction.
Jeff, that's why i thought it is unwinnable. Neither in my normal solution nor in Richard's solution i could see so far any chance with the Kings Only option on, but who knows, what Richard can do. Will try Richard's solution later again. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6318
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 10:12 am: | |
I've been pretty harassed all day. I'll have a further look. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6319
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 1:00 pm: | |
I see the problem now Jeff. Strangely my saved game was accepted by the software even after I checked "kings only". It appeared to run out to a win without a problem. I guess the saved game just automatically unchecked the "k.o." option.
I've given your game a few more attempts but am not completely convinced it is unwinnable. I will keep trying. Perhaps Larry Dale will see your post and run it through his auto-solver. Don't give up yet. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1939
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 1:56 pm: | |
Richard, the problem are the two red 9s and the two red 10s at the bottom of two piles. You need them either for the black 8s or the black 9s. I doubt you can find a way to get them in, but i was wrong before. |
Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 520
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 4:13 pm: | |
>As an aside how do the game numbers relate to the MS FC numbers shown in the list of hard deals?
The first one million (1000000) deal numbers are identical to Microsoft FreeCell, but the MS version does not go any higher than that, so Pretty Good Solitaire and other Goodsol games give you more than 2 billion extra deals. 
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6320
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 5:58 pm: | |
I have not managed to score more than 7 with your game Jeff. Probably unwinnable in Kings Only mode. |
Larry Dale (Lars)
Advanced Solitaire Player
Username: Lars
Post Number: 79
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 11:11 pm: | |
The solving program could not solve this game with the Kings Only option.
Larry |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6321
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 4:34 am: | |
Thanks Larry. I was pretty sure I'd exhausted all viable sequences. |
Jeff Rees (Jr92811)
Junior Solitaire Player
Username: Jr92811
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 4:56 am: | |
Thanks to all of you. I can now sleep easy and move on! |
Larry Dale (Lars)
Advanced Solitaire Player
Username: Lars
Post Number: 81
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 8:08 am: | |
Richard and Jeff,
I should have clarified that the solving program on my computer could not solve this game with Kings Only. However, a more powerful computer might have.
And with worryback as in PGS this could influence the solving rate. Quoting from Michael Keller in Freecell FAQ
"Worrying back has a very small influence on the win rate, at least in the standard four freecell game: Tom Holroyd has done some computer analysis and found that worrying back a card onto an occupied column allows 11 of the 130 impossible deals up to 10 million to be solved. 11982 is still impossible, though."
Larry
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