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Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1735
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 12:25 am: | |
I'm losing my touch (if I ever had it). What column do I need to clear as a first step for winning # 27? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1923
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 2:47 am: | |
Ken, i could free column 6 and after that i got a second column free, number 4. I cannot say, if it is winnable after that, but it is looking good. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1924
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 2:58 am: | |
After that it is easy.
Some hints: hold the 7H on the last column. Hold the 4H in the stock, it appears in the 6th column. Hold the 4S in the stock and use the one from the 6th column. Try to get the Clubs up onto the foundation.
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Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1736
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 8:22 am: | |
Thanks, Markus!
(How do you say "You're the man!" in Estonian?) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1925
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 9:50 am: | |
"Oled mees!" or "Oled tegija." or "Tubli mees!" (that is a little like your "great job")
It was a nice one with all the JH and 4D blocked in the deal. It took some time to get a column free. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6310
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 12:26 pm: | |
Shooglie knees to you too. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1926
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 2:23 pm: | |
Which knees are best shoogling?
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6311
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 4:11 pm: | |
#3 is a pretty decent shoogle, although "pretty" wouldn't describe her looks.
BTW, I was at a 21st birthday function this afternoon. I was obliged to partake of a few beers. People should have two birthdays every year. If it's good enough for our Queen Liz then it should be good enough for the rest of us too. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1737
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 8:16 am: | |
Are you sure she was 21? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6312
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 10:53 am: | |
Yes Ken. 21 stone. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1738
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 11:53 am: | |
You have my luck!!!!! |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1954
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 - 5:19 am: | |
A little summary of my first 100 TI games, want to say, here are my hard ones, where i needed more than 20 minutes.
#28, #54, #57, #58, #73, #84, #87, #90, #93 .
The most enjoyable was #54 !!! |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2036
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 - 12:36 pm: | |
Just wait until #283. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1969
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2011 - 10:55 am: | |
Mike, you want me to tell, that it is harder than #153, which i just solved after 80 minutes? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1979
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 2:10 am: | |
Just to be sure. #212 is really unwinnable as Richard (not certainly) mentioned in Triple Interchange Part VII. I agree with his argument about this game. What were your best scores? I could get about 16 or 17 points. (Spades A-J, Clubs A-3, Diamonds (i remember 2 Aces)). |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6386
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 6:14 am: | |
You scored the maximum Markus. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2050
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 6:35 pm: | |
I didn't have TI #212 on my list. But for some reason I have #70 there. But I guess it is winnable. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6387
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 7:16 pm: | |
I have just won #70 Mike. You must have made a typo. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2051
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 10:20 pm: | |
I won it also. I wonder what I was thinking. I took it off my list and added #212. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1980
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 1:28 am: | |
Just that you can check your list: #212 is the first unwinnable one from #1 on. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2052
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 1:10 pm: | |
Already done. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1984
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 1:56 pm: | |
I know ! ;-)
I am closing up to #283. But first i have to do #239. Will give him a first try tomorrow. I hope i can beat Richard's time: 87 minutes (Triple Interchange Part VII). |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 1989
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 2:54 pm: | |
(BTW, i cleared column 1 first.) |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1755
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 7:55 am: | |
Markus, of the #'s you posted, I got #28 in 18 minutes, but I can't comment on any of the others because I'm stuck on #31. HELP!!!! |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2002
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 8:08 am: | |
Don't want frustrate you, but i did #31 in 9:31 min. Try to rewin it and look for a possible hint. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2003
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 8:28 am: | |
Position 17 13 48
Position 28 9 40 (hold the 4H in the stock)
Position 59 38 3
It should be now winnable. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1756
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 10:27 am: | |
Markus, Oled mees! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6396
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 10:56 am: | |
Oiled knees to you too Ken. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2004
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 1:05 pm: | |
Ken, your Estonian is getting better and better. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2005
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 2:27 pm: | |
Mike, i have reached #283. Strange one. It looks very good at the beginning, but then you got stuck. I tried about 5 or 6 variations, but no luck. Is it the 2nd unwinnable one or is it the really hard one i have expected? Best score so far 41. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2054
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:23 pm: | |
It should be the sceond unwinnable hand. But after #212 who knows. The next unwinnable should be #424. There are eight is the first one thousand. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2055
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:24 pm: | |
#Second" I am in a hurry. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2007
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:36 pm: | |
I don't understand your post 100%. Is it unwinnable or not? Is then #424 the third unwinnable one? I hope you didn't count the winning number #27 as a loser.
BTW made a little search. Richard's opinion on June 20, 2007, 6:23 pm (Triple Interchange Part VIII):
Don't waste any more time on #283. Dead as the proverbial dodo.
Richard what was your maximum score? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2056
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:47 pm: | |
Let me put it this way. I have #212,283,424,578,590,688,747 and 999. Listed as losers. I have to check on #894. I am not sure of it. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6399
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:55 pm: | |
"Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey". (Google that).
My father was stationed in Singapore. He used that phrase quite a lot.
So Markus, precisely how long did it take you NOT to win #283?
Hello from me, and my Yeti says "Hi".
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Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2057
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 4:05 pm: | |
Well my list seems to be faulty. Strike #283. I checked #894. It is winnable. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2058
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 4:26 pm: | |
But I am getting no where with
#283. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6400
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 6:08 pm: | |
Good luck with #283 Mike. I can say in all honesty it took me well under 30 minutes to crack it today, despite the fact that I was listening/watching a stand-up comedy show on the TV at the same time. Markus quoted me as saying that it was "deader than a Dodo" when we we playing TI practically all the time. Today it just fell into place for me after about three serious undo sessions.
On TV just now there is an archive guitar legends show on, just clips from old BBC shows. I know you are well into guitar players. It's been a joy to listen to B.B.King, Carlos Santana, and Jimmi Hendrix in particular. It's so good I've broken out the bevvy. I hope it's a long show.
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Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2060
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:28 pm: | |
Solved #283. Wonder how we missed it the first time around? Can the next one #424 really be unwinnable. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2008
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 1:31 am: | |
Richard, i didn't try every possible undo-possibility and i stopped trying already after 10 minutes. Mike warned me about #283. So i just wanted to make sure if i am wasting time or if it is worth to try harder, especially when i read your opinion 3.5 years ago.
That means: i will restart it, when i know, that i have time about 30 minutes. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2009
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 2:12 am: | |
When you have found the first 2S then it is easy, but till there, you have to concentrate how to arrange the Hearts to get a KH up.
Richard, it took me today about 35 minutes to crack it. A nice one.
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Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1757
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 6:57 am: | |
Markus, Kui ainult minu eesti oli nii hea, kui teie Triple Interchange mängimine!
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2010
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 8:41 am: | |
Olen õpetaja:
"Kui ainult minu eesti OLEKS nii hea, kui Teie (parem sinu) TI mängimine."
Did you crack #283? |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1758
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 8:58 am: | |
Veel |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6401
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 11:47 am: | |
Ha! You "stopped trying already after 10 minutes".
That's a good one. I'll have to remember it. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2011
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 2:34 pm: | |
I wouldn't have stopped, if Mike wouldn't have mentioned this game number, and then i read your own opinion from 2007. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6402
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 3:43 pm: | |
Markus,Just because someone has said a game is not winnable doesn't always mean that this is a fact. I tried #283 again and won it. If I had not done so you and everyone else may just have accepted it was a loser. Players should make their own minds up about each game. Remember that we are only giving our opinions. Someone else may come along behind us and figure out how to beat a game. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2012
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 4:46 pm: | |
I know, i know, Richard. But, as Mike said: "Wonder how we missed it the first time around?" You, Mike and Ken missed it in 2007. So i ask you, how often it will be, that all 3 of you will miss a game at the same time?
But i promise you, i will work hard on all the others Mike posted as unwinnable in the first 1000. I have just another 700 games to play and till #424 it will take some time. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6403
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 7:06 pm: | |
Markus, I've had a few more tries at the other "unwinnable" ones but can't win any of them this time round either. If there is a breakthrough to be made amongst them I can't find it...... Maybe tomorrow? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2061
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 9:08 pm: | |
Markus. It's called experience. Even as good as Richard and the two Kens are. The more you play the more you learn. There was a play Richard saw this time that we didn't see the first time we tried. Or someone changed the hand. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2013
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 1:51 am: | |
Mike, i know this from Baker's Game. I played it about till #500. For the hard ones i asked, Richard answered. But still we were missing about 3 to 5 in every 100. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6404
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 2:30 am: | |
You do yourself a disservice Mike.You are certainly no slouch when it comes to PGS. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2014
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 4:27 am: | |
SLOUCH? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6405
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 6:47 am: | |
A slouch is someone who is slow or lethargic and incompetent. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1759
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 8:00 am: | |
Speaking from an expert? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2015
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 9:20 am: | |
I had to ask, because i know the word just from footwear. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2025
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 2:24 pm: | |
Richard, i know i promised to try longer next time with the others unwinnable ones, but with #424 i don't know what to try after 10 minutes. All 9S, 6S, 4C, 2D and 6D are buried in the tableau piles and with just one 8H in the stock, there is no chance to get the first pile free. 38 points and i don't think much more is possible. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6432
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 3:23 pm: | |
38 is the maximum possible Markus. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2083
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 4:43 pm: | |
#424 was on the list of unwinnable. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2027
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 12:50 am: | |
I know Mike, as was #283, which fell ! (And i know, that Richard played all other unwinnable ones without success.) |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2084
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 1:12 am: | |
Yes. There was a mixup in a couple of hands. But I think the rest of the hands I have listed will show to be unwinnable. At least I hope so. #578 #999 and #1088 are next. I still suspect some trickery in #212 and #283. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2028
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 1:38 am: | |
#283 IS winnable. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2085
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 12:53 pm: | |
Yes. I know. But as we have discussed. The first time Richard and I played it, it didn't seem so. And #212 was winnable. Which it turned out not to be the case. So I sense a deception somewhere. Now if you can find a winner in the next three that I have on the unwinnable list I will be certain of it. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6437
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 2:01 pm: | |
I've been having a go at the others on the list Mike. No joy. I guess we just slipped up first time. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2032
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 2:29 pm: | |
"And #212 was winnable."
Mike, was it really winnable?
My post above: "Just to be sure. #212 is really unwinnable as Richard (not certainly) mentioned in Triple Interchange Part VII. I agree with his argument about this game. What were your best scores? I could get about 16 or 17 points. (Spades A-J, Clubs A-3, Diamonds (i remember 2 Aces))."
Richard's answer: "You scored the maximum Markus." |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 4:41 pm: | |
One more time. #212 is not winnable. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6439
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 5:00 pm: | |
Mike, what about #212? Winnable or what? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2089
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 5:50 pm: | |
Pay attention to your new sideline amature tout. BTW. It's "Idon'tgiveadarn" in the third race. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2035
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 1:20 am: | |
Mike, why did you then post on Wednesday, February 09,2011 - 12:53 pm: ... And #212 was winnable. ...? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2090
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 2:23 am: | |
I'll try again. When Richard and I first went through Triple Interchange I must have forgotten to write down that #212 was unwinnable. And also made the mistake to note that #283 was winnable. As a joke I said that somehow something had happened and changed the outcome of the two hands. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6440
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 8:38 am: | |
Yeah Mike, that's all very well, but is #212 winnable or not? |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1769
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 8:50 am: | |
Now I'm really confused! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6441
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 9:05 am: | |
It'll happen more and more frequently now Ken, now that you are an old man. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6442
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 9:07 am: | |
OK, fun's fun and all that, but it's time to end this saga.
#212 IS NOT WINNABLE. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1770
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 9:09 am: | |
And we were having such fun pulling Mike's leg! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6443
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 9:45 am: | |
On reflection, perhaps #212 IS winnable. Perhaps we should ask Mike. And then see what Markus thinks? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2091
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 12:09 pm: | |
You all have already made my leg four inches longer. Now if you could just add. Never mind. I'm to old anyway. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6445
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 12:47 pm: | |
Were were pulling both legs Lofty. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2036
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 12:57 pm: | |
You have confused me all. I will be quiet, when Mikes legs are ten inches longer. I will give #212 another try. Just to make sure, that it is winnable. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2092
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 1:03 pm: | |
Richard. Is your email working? And do you have Prince Albert in a can? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6450
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 11:35 am: | |
Yes and yes.
Help yourself. BTW it may spontaneously combust in your neck of the woods. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2093
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 2:55 pm: | |
Darn. You ruined the rest of the joke. Let's try this one. Is your refrigerator running? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6451
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 3:53 pm: | |
We will promise to be amused if you complete your joke Mike.
My fridge isn't running. Strange how you have to switch it on to stop it doing so.
Oh no! Don't tell me I've spoiled your second joke.
I have just thought of a joke. I'll need to email it! Thomas would have kittens otherwise. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2094
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 10:46 pm: | |
Thomas having kittens. Could be fun. I know he has a cat or maybe more than 1. But where did they come from? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6452
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 5:36 am: | |
It's perfectly clear to me Mike ..... He is a Thom cat ..... and what he does in his free time is entirely his own business.  |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2098
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 1:37 am: | |
BTW Markus. How did you make out with #212.
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2062
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 4:01 am: | |
History:
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6492
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 5:59 am: | |
Did you save your solution Markus?
BTW..... We're still waiting for the garage to phone and say our jaloppy is ready. OK it's not a jaloppy, it's just in for a service before we stick a few hundred more miles on the clock. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2063
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 8:57 am: | |
Did you save your solution Mike?
(I saved it today in a fast 5 minutes in iPhoto!!!) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2064
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 9:20 am: | |
That is the best position i think you have also, Richard.
The only chance to win this game number is to bring in the 10D of the 9th pile. For that you need to bring the 9H over to the QH. To do this you need to get rid of the JS. Without a QS in the stock you have to bring him up onto the foundations. For that you need a 4S, which is not in the stock. So you have to use the one from the 9th pile, but for that you have to get rid of the 9H in this pile. Only chance: use the 10H of the 7th pile, but then there is no other 8D in the end.
So, Mike's post must be a f...... fake (as mine). |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 1:35 pm: | |
Markus. I am shocked that you do not belive me. Also surprised that you figured it out that I was having some fun. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2065
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 1:57 pm: | |
Me too. But you have to say, that my fake was well done, wasn't i? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6494
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 2:46 pm: | |
Not leaving until tomorrow now. The goddamn clutch needs to be replaced and the garage we had it into hasn't the facilities to fix it because of the vehicle's height. Curse and swear? Me? We did manage to find a commercial vehicle repairer but his garage is out in the back of beyond. Looks like being a long day tomorrow.
Now we have got ourselves into a position that nothing other than a saved solution to any game can be believed. Game numbers can be faked so it also follows that solving times can be faked too.
I faked a screenshot of myself "winning" #212 and emailed it to Mike to wind him up. Then I emailed another one in his name,and the rest is history. It has to stop guys. It's already gone too far. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2066
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 3:09 pm: | |
Ah, you have been the spring/source of all, i should have known. 
Now you just have to harvest (?) what you have sown (?). |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2067
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 3:10 pm: | |
BTW i better play then making fakes, but i couldn't stand (?) after Mike's post. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6495
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 4:39 pm: | |
Yes I was the source or the "winning" screenshot Mike posted Markus. (The idiom is "reap what you have sown.").
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Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 4:51 pm: | |
Oh good. Richard gets all the blame.  |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1773
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 7:51 am: | |
#48 should be easy but I just can't get it. HELP!!
(At this rate, I'll never catch up to the Holy Trinity of Richard, Mike, and Markus!) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2069
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 10:14 am: | |
26/0/47
61/11/11
77/14/5
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Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 7:19 pm: | |
Markus, I hate to be stupid, but the first 2 screenshots are easily achievable but I CANNOT get to the 3rd screenshot no matter how hard I try. What am I missing? (Besides brain cells!) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2070
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 12:54 am: | |
4Cs (from stock), 5Hs onto pile 2 (not foundations), 4H back down, 3H from pile 4, QD from pile 3 into free space, KH up, arrange Clubs, QD (8) onto KD, QS into free space, ... |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
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Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1775
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 4:12 am: | |
Oled tegija, Markus! (Can't wait until #54!) |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 1:28 pm: | |
Ken. Send me an alert when you get to #3ooo. And I will start playing again. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2071
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 2:26 pm: | |
I got #578 with maximum 39 points. But unwinnable as unwinnable can be. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
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Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1776
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 8:59 pm: | |
Mike, will you live that long? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2102
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2011 - 12:48 am: | |
I hope not. #578 is unwinnable.
Correct. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2072
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 1:43 pm: | |
Is #590 really unwinnable? You can get so close. Maybe we oversee one move. Here one of my best position, but a dead end.
I have to try one more possibility. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
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Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2104
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 8:31 pm: | |
Simple as pie. NOT!
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2073
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 1:17 am: | |
Mike, i have noticed this number on your list of unwinnable ones.
("Let me put it this way. I have #212,283,424,578,590,688,747 and 999. Listed as losers.")
Could you now win it with my screenshot? (Had to cancel yesterday because of no time.) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2074
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 1:27 am: | |
And BTW: thanks for the solution, but as you know, i cannot use it with PGSME and i also wouldn't. I will figure out how to arrange the Spades to get pile6 free. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2075
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 3:55 pm: | |
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Mike Butler (Butler77)
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Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2105
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 4:29 pm: | |
You are correct. I did have it marked as unwinnable. When I looked over my list I missed that I had it marked that way. So I kept trying. And looked what happened.I had even played it again after we started talking about TI. So had Richard, I think. Just wait until he returns. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2076
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 4:36 pm: | |
It is a game you need a lot of patience. You have to empty the stock several times till you can free one pile and again till you can free the second one. Nice one.
Do you think we can wait till Ken is reaching that game number, maybe in 2 or 3 years?  |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1777
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 7:36 pm: | |
Markus, is there an Estonian Tortoise and the Hare? Slow and steady wins the race! |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2107
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 10:31 pm: | |
There's a race? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2077
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 1:02 am: | |
Ken, yes, but i am the Hartoise here!
Mike, yes and you started it! ("Send me an alert when you get to #3ooo.") |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2080
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 3:49 pm: | |
Ken, i just saw, that half of my thoughts are missing:
Ken, yes we have in Estonia "jänes ja siil", but i am the Hartoise here in Estonia.
My girlfriend says always, that she is the fastest Estonian, and i have to wait for her all the time. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6497
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:10 am: | |
Perhaps Markus is not familiar with the English saying, "A gentleman always takes his time". |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2082
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:41 am: | |
There must also be  .
BTW, we (Mike and me) won meanwhile #590, which MIke has had recorded as a loser.
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Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1778
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 12:25 pm: | |
Richard, how was your holiday? While you were destroying a few brain cells by going to the pub, I was destroying my brain cells just by turning 55. I USED to be good at TI but now I plod aimlessly along. I can't get #51. What column do you clear first? I have cleared col. 1 first with no solution and then I went back and cleared col. 7 again with no solution. Does this mean I need to drink less or MORE? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6500
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 12:50 pm: | |
Our holiday was pretty decent Ken. Tell you more later.
“Alcohol is the cause and the solution to many of life's problems.”
“8eer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
I believe it was Ernest Hemmingway who described giving up drinking as "The worst afternoon of my life". I followed his advice and didn't waste nearly as much time as he did. We never tire of the Castle Inn at Dirleton.
Sorry to report that I do not have #51 saved. I'll try it now and see what brain damage I may have inflicted on myself.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6501
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:02 pm: | |
I'll be surprised if it's not winnable from here Ken. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2083
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:07 pm: | |
When you don't want to use Richard's solution, here are two screenshots:
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6502
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:10 pm: | |
The choice is yours Ken.
Played through from my "Maybe" partial. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2109
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:13 pm: | |
Richard. At least you found your way home. Welcome back. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 7:10 pm: | |
Richard AND Markus: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1780
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 12:26 am: | |
Markus, after taking well OVER an hour on #48 and #51 and needing yours and Richard's help on both of them, you had me shaking in my boots for #54, but it only took me 27 mins. How long did it take you? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2087
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 12:04 pm: | |
Don't celebrate too much.
BTW, what is your average time? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6513
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 1:56 pm: | |
I'm not even REMOTELY interested in game solving times, but even with stopping #51 to post a partial and then going back to finish it, my time was just 20 minutes from when I'd said I'd try it and when I posted the solution. 15 minutes or so actual playing time?
I cannot see any sense in subjecting myself to any unnecessary stress by playing a game as fast as possible. Stress is a killer. Try this test.
http://www.lessons4living.com/stress_test.htm
I scraped into the danger zone by one point. I don't need to pollute my leisure time PGS by getting up tight about how long a game has taken. At the end of the day, nobody really cares anyway. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 2:28 pm: | |
RICHARD, WE KNOW YOUR OPINION ABOUT TIME !!! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6514
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 2:32 pm: | |
Good. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2089
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 2:32 pm: | |
BTW: my score was 3 !!! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6515
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 3:31 pm: | |
Amazing! Perhaps you're an alien. MR phone home. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 4:05 pm: | |
Markus, that's why I posted it. You are killing me on every aspect of TI (e.g. my average time is 20 minutes!), so I have to take my small victories when I can get them!
(BTW, what is your secret to winning them so quickly?) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2090
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 1:27 am: | |
I play it in a way Richard would surely hate it, when he would see me, while playing a game. It is hard to explain
One thing is, that i am recognizing very fast if a card is playable or not.
Maybe another thing is, that i avoid drag and drop. When you click in PGSME onto a card and when it can be played to the foundations, the card is moving. It is like right-clicking in PGS with a "normal click", which is much more common then right-clicking.
Then the snapshot button and undosnap button is working different in PGSME. You can save with it (snapshot button) a position, then doing moves back (with undo) to try another way and when you see, that it is not better you can go back to the saved position immediately. When i remember right, then in PGS it did not work like that. With that you can try several ways very quickly.
(I just tried the snapshot button in PGS. You can only use the UndoSnap button while going on, but not, when you have used the undo button.)
And at the very end i am working a lot with AutoMove.
And the last: I cannot play as fast in PGS as i am used in PGSME. Don't ask me why. It would be interesting, if Ken Blackwell can say the same. He is normally playing PGS but when i remember right, then he has the possibility to play PGSME on his mothers Mac. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6516
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 4:10 am: | |
Markus, "To each,his own".
I never use auto-move and I drag and drop everything too. It's not quick but I'm in no hurry anyway.
I advised Kathy a long time ago just to do what makes HER happy. I also took my own advice.
I may be the Eric Clapton of PGS, Mr.Slowhand himself. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1782
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 4:57 am: | |
Markus and/or Richard, when you're playing TI, do you play any cards from the stock the first time through, or do you wait to see what cards you can shake loose from the tableau first? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6517
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 5:22 am: | |
Ken (aka Mr.Slow-wheels),
I doubt if it is possible to "plan" a game of TI. Until you discover what is or is not in the stock you are working blind. Similarly you cannot predict what the face down tableau cards are either. The faster you play it the more likely you are to accept cards from the stock that are already visible in the tableau. Those cards may have nowhere else to go later in the game. A HUGE amount of luck is required to get everything right on the first few runs through the stock.
As a general rule I rarely play cards onto anything that is exposed unless by so doing I may be fortunate enough to link them up with something else of the same suit that is also exposed.If I have only one heart at the foot of a column I see no point in playing more hearts onto it, but if I have two hearts that are reasonably close together numerically I will attempt to build downwards from one to the other. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
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Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1783
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 6:05 am: | |
Richard, I think I am FINALLY figuring that out. Thanks for the tip! |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6518
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 7:31 am: | |
Ken, another strategy that may come in useful at times regards putting cards up onto the foundations.
Let's say you have the ace of clubs on the foundations and you have the two available in the tableau. If there is a "dead" card like a KS uncovered when you put it up, I would normally undo. That way if you come across another 2C in the tableau it has somewhere to go. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2091
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 9:15 am: | |
I don't know if Richard said this in his last posts, but sometimes it is useful to put cards back down from the foundation to open a dead end. For that it is useful not to put all cards onto the foundation but just hold the last card (of for example a Clubs sequence) so that you have the possibility to put cards back down. I use this especially then, when the next card is not useful. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
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Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1784
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 10:45 am: | |
Markus, it's no surprise that your average time is faster than mine since you play PGS a lot more than me but I find it fascinating to compare our indidvidual times. #55 and #56 you dispatched in no time but each one took me over 20 minutes. But you had trouble with #57 and #58 but I won #57 in 11 minutes and #58 in 18 minutes. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6519
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 11:45 am: | |
When playing TI in PGS it is not possible to take cards back down from the foundations Markus. Have you been at the cooking sherry again? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2110
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 12:38 pm: | |
Time is irrelevant. Sometimes you hit on the correct play right away and sometimes you go in a completely different path. I use the same methode as Richard. I am not sure what Markus meant about taking cards down from the foundations. Perhaps he meant the same as you. Undoing. TI is a game where I save positions a lot. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2092
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 1:28 pm: | |
Mike, i didn't meant undoing. Will post a screenshot, when i have such a situation. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
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Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1785
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 1:39 pm: | |
Richard, you're right in PGS, but Markus and I have been playing in PGS101. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2093
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 1:43 pm: | |
(First: I wanted to write: i didn't mean or i haven't meant , right?)
At that position it is possible to play the JS onto the foundation (and it would free another JS). But that maybe wouldn't help. There are two 2S and one 8S. Maybe behind one of them is a good card. So i take the Spades back from the foundations till i can use one of the Spades in the tableau piles. The same feature which is also important in Forty Thieves. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6520
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 2:32 pm: | |
Markus, we have used that strategy in many many different games. The TI threads have traditionally been for PGS only, therefore without anyone saying that they are playing TI in 101 we have no way of knowing. Playing TI in 101 with this borrow-back feature makes the game far easier than the original.
Ken, When I uploaded my solution for #34 it was in the PGS format.
Incidentally I don't even have TI in 101. I must have an older version. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2094
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 3:46 pm: | |
Richard, you want to tell me, that in PGS you cannot put cards back from the foundations? That's interesting. I thought the games are identical. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
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Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6521
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 5:22 pm: | |
Not quite identical unfortunately. In 101 TI is easier and because you don't have to undo and redo so much, it would make the solving times quicker too. I'm not sure if any unwinnable PGS games would be winnable with the easier 101 rules though. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
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Username: Markus
Post Number: 2095
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 1:05 am: | |
Those two i have as losers so far are losers. Two others (#283 and #590) were be winnable in both games.
When i understand you right, then the 101 TI is also not the same as the PGS TI, isn't it? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2096
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 1:09 am: | |
The main difference is, that you have to calculate carefully, when to put cards up onto the foundations.
I will try not to use the feature when i play TI. I think i used it in about 5 up to 10 games out of 100, but i think i would have also won them without it (especially knowing, that they were winnable). |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6522
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 4:04 am: | |
Honestly Markus just do which ever method you find easier. It is of very little importance. I'm certain you would manage to win all the games in either format. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2111
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 12:36 pm: | |
Richard is correct. The hands get solved or not which ever version you play. So play however you want. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2108
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:27 pm: | |
I know, #688 is on the list of losers. But is there really no chance pass through to an empty pile? You can get so close. That is my best position so far.
The problems:
For pile 6 there is a 2C missing in the stock.
For pile 7 there is a 2S missing in the stock.
Also is there no QC in the stock. And then the doubled 10D in pile 3.
(There is also no chance with worrying back. That is just an information.) |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2109
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:35 pm: | |
59 points is maximum so far. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6538
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 3:00 pm: | |
Precisely WHERE are you guys finding TI in 101? I have the latest version, 2.04, and cannot find it. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6539
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 3:50 pm: | |
The columns are all dead Markus. I can get column 7 down to just 2 cards though, but it doesn't help.
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Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 533
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 3:53 pm: | |
>Precisely WHERE are you guys finding TI in 101? I have the latest version, 2.04, and cannot find it.
Triple Interchange is not included in Goodsol Solitaire 101.
However, TI is in the beta version of PGSME 2.2, which should be released soon, as well as GS300 (for Windows), which is only available to beta testers and is sometimes (mistakenly) called "101".
There are benefits of being a beta tester.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6541
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 4:44 pm: | |
Thanks Gregg. This thread went a bit haywire further up because I assumed that we were still talking about PGS. It an effort to clear up my confusion, our good mucker Ken posted "Richard, you're right in PGS, but Markus and I have been playing in PGS101". Did this help me clear matters up? Evidently not.
Kenneth, my fine friend, would you care to revise your post with some degree of accuracy? You've heard of Irritable Bowel Syndrome, but I suffer from its Grey Matter equivalent. It gets annoyed when it cannot help me solve simple problems or assist me to find things. One morning when we were last away,it got quite ratty when my specs were not where I normally leave them. Whilst it was helping me search for them Liz chimed in with the immortal phrase, "You're wearing them". I must have slept with them on the entire night.
So you see, the older the grey matter gets, the easier it is to befuddle it. Be a good lad and help the aged. Old age is stalking you already.
55!!! Who'd have thought it?  |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1787
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 5:43 pm: | |
OH SURE!!! BLAME ME! |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1788
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 5:52 pm: | |
I'm going to blame Gregg and/or Thomas. They sent the link to us beta users and said it was "Goodsol Solitaire Engine". Since the format is just like PGS101, we just started calling it that. NOW that we know the official name is GS300, we'll start calling it that. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2113
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 1:17 am: | |
"I can get column 7 down to just 2 cards though, but it doesn't help"
I think you have meant column 6, not 7. When i remember right, then i got column 7 down to just 1 card, but it didn't help.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6543
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 3:20 am: | |
Ken, you must know that the kid always gets the blame, although admittedly sometimes it's a toss up between him and Mike.
I'll agree that it is somewhat confusing having different products with only slight variations in their names. This is compounded when there are slight variations in their rules too. My old brain can't handle it all at times.
Yes Markus, I did mean column 6. Being able to locate my glasses doesn't always help. Ha! The columns are all so obviously dead that I didn't spend much time on it at all. You are always forced to use one suit to make progress in the few columns that are moveable. Then you encounter more cards of that same suit underneath. Completely unwinnable.
BTW, the idiom is "if I remember right" or "if I remember correctly". |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6544
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 4:05 am: | |
BTW Ken, if I was going to get Mike a sweatshirt it would have to be that black one that's printed on the reverse. There are quite a few other ones that I'd like to get my hands on though. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2115
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 6:04 am: | |
If or when, that's always the question. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2122
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 2:42 pm: | |
I know, #722 is not on the list of losers, but is it really winnable? If so, then i want to compare the starting deal. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6575
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 3:16 pm: | |
Clear column 8.
Screenshot of cards in columns 1 and 2 if it the cards dealt that you are querying.
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2123
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 3:40 pm: | |
My starting deal in PGSME. Can you compare it with PGS and GS300? Thank's. For me there is no chance to clear colum 8, because i don't can get rid off the 10H.
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Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2121
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:00 pm: | |
If your deal is from TI #722 then it is certainly different from mine in PGS. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6577
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:03 pm: | |
This is TI #722 in PGS Markus.
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Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2124
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:19 pm: | |
Can anyone look how the deal is in GS300 (or in 101)? Maybe Gregg can explain, but i think i know his answer.
BTW, my deal is not winnable. There is only one Ace in the stock and you can free one other Ace and there are only some cards you can cover up (?). You get stock very quickly. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6578
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:43 pm: | |
It's not in 101 Markus, only the beta version that you have. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6579
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:47 pm: | |
BTW Markus, You're not 55 are you? |
paul forsdick (Pondpaul)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 693
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 4:57 pm: | |
I am 55 but only for the next 30 days |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2122
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 9:40 pm: | |
In the GS300 Beta version Hand #722 is the same as the one you are asking about Markus. But it is different in PGS. Gregg/Thomas explaination.
Interesting. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2125
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 12:28 am: | |
They will tell us, that they use the same algorithm, but sometimes by chance a game number can differ. We have had that once before. Mike, did you try it? Could you win it? I doubt it. |
Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 534
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 7:45 am: | |
(Trying to take a "sick day"...)
I can confirm that Triple Interchange deal #722 is different between PGS [Windows] and the beta versions of PGSME and GS300.
As noted, the technical reasons for this are detailed elsewhere, but suffice it to say that this is not likely to change. (It is not an easy fix on either side, and any such change at this point would have much broader consequences, affecting every game.)
Think of this as just one of those little things that helps keep life interesting.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6581
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 8:05 am: | |
Hard luck with your stats Markus. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2126
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:29 am: | |
Gregg, i knew your answer, but thank's.
Richard, believe it or not, but i went already on. It was a game with the worst maximum score: just 22 points. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2127
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:33 am: | |
"BTW Markus, You're not 55 are you?"
Far away. You will nearly have an 8 as first number when i become 55. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6583
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:33 am: | |
I wish I could have tried it Markus, but I'm certain your score of 22 is as good as it gets. These things happen. It's strange that despite the fact that games with conflicting deals like this one are extremely rare, we keep finding them. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2125
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 11:26 am: | |
I added #722 to the list. With a special note about it being unsolvable in certain versions. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6584
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 12:21 pm: | |
It's winnable in PGS Mike. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2128
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 1:25 pm: | |
"I'm certain your score of 22 is as good as it gets."
You can be sure it is dead as dead can be. Otherwise i wouldn't have asked for the starting deal (i knew that it is winnable in PGS). |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2126
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 2:35 pm: | |
Should I have said "Winnable in certain versions"? Anyway. If you play it in PGS it is winnable. In PGSME and GS300 it is not. Leave me alone. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6585
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 3:02 pm: | |
Debbie put me and Markus on the payroll Mike. Sorry, but money talks.
I'll send you a t-shirt tonight. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 2127
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 3:47 pm: | |
I can't wait. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2141
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2011 - 11:55 am: | |
Reached the next unwinnable one of your list Mike. #747. 39 points is maximum so far and i don't think a lot more is possible. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 6605
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2011 - 12:10 pm: | |
39 is the best possible. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2142
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 2:47 am: | |
Mike, can you compare the game #762 in PGS and in GS300? Or can anyone post the starting deal for this game number? |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2143
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 8:28 am: | |
I think, it is the same game. I just found a way to free at least a pile. |
Markus Reischl (Markus)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Markus
Post Number: 2144
Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 8:45 am: | |
Got it. |
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